Wednesday, March 29, 2006

Since The Spacek Deal: An IOF Quiz

The first game with Spacek and Tarnstrom in the lineup was in Phoenix, the Oilers tied this game with Pronger's last second goal and went on to win it in the shootout when Dvorak, of all people, tallied the S.O. winner.

Anyhow, from this game forward things haven't gone as swimmingly as we'd all expected and hoped they would. And the Roloson and Samsonov deals may also yet pay dividends ... but we Oiler fans haven't seen any cheques yet. :-(

So a closer look at the team since then. I'll hit the 5on5 stuff here, all the questions pertain to that only. Because the goaltending has been beaten to death, the PK has been good and the PP has been only decent (though they've been hitting the ball hard, so it should get even better from the man advantage unit methinks).

So, I'll remind you that this WILL count towards your final grade. And I ask you not to cheat. :-) Gut feel, who do you think is the right answer to these questions:

1. I have been on the ice for the most Oiler goals, and have the best +/- at 5on5. Who am I?

2. I have been on the ice for a grand total of but ONE (1) Oiler goal in spite of getting a regular shift. Who am I?

3. I have the worst 5on5 +/- on the team. Who am I? (HINT: Dman)

4. I am the only Oiler Dman in the black at 5on5 +/-, who am I?

5. I have been on the ice for a staggering 19 goals against at 5on5, who am I?

6. I have been on the ice for only 4 goals against since these first trades. Who am I?

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The prize is 50 VicDollarsTM. Redeemable at participating 7-11s. Best of luck!

22 Comments:

Anonymous PDO said...

1. Horcoff
2. Moreau
3. Tarnstrom
4. Spacek
5. Hemsky
6. Is it a guy with a regular shift? If not, Harvey. If so, Pisani.

Been reading here for a while, enjoy the site a lot.

3/29/2006 7:26 pm  
Anonymous PDO said...

1. Horcoff
2. Moreau
3. Tarnstrom
4. Spacek
5. Hemsky
6. Is it a guy with a regular shift? If not, Harvey. If so, Pisani.

Been reading here for a while, enjoy the site a lot.

3/29/2006 7:26 pm  
Anonymous Mike P said...

My totally unscientific wild-assed guesses:

1. Pisani
2. Spacek
3. Staios
4. Pronger
5. Hemsky
6. Horcoff

OK, I don't really think Horc for the last, it's probably Pisani, but I don't think Horc gets enough love online so I'm going to try to give him props, even if he doesn't deserve them.

3/29/2006 8:53 pm  
Anonymous Julian said...

without reading the other answers....

1. Horcoff
2. Rem the Gem? Does he count?
3. Tarnstrom
4. Staois
5. Moreau
6. ..... Pisani?

3/29/2006 10:22 pm  
Blogger RiversQ said...

1. Horcoff
2. Samsonov
3. Staios
4. Pronger
5. Smyth
6. Peca

I'm interested to see the answers to this one...

3/29/2006 10:26 pm  
Anonymous lowetide said...

1. Pronger
2. Harvey
3. Tarnstrom
4. Pronger
5. Hemsky
6. Pisani

3/29/2006 10:38 pm  
Blogger Loxy said...

1.Horcoff
2.Peca
3.Tarnstrom
4.Smith
5.Hemsky
6.Pisani

3/29/2006 11:14 pm  
Blogger Black Dog Hates Skunks said...

1.Horcoff
2.Laraque
3.Bergeron
4.Spacek
5.Smyth
6.Dvorak

3/30/2006 6:20 am  
Blogger sacamano said...

1. Horc
2. Moreau
3. Bergeron
4. Spacek
5. Hemsky
6. Pisani

3/30/2006 8:51 am  
Blogger Oiler_Kiwi said...

1. Pronger
2. Greene
3. Ulanov
4. Spacek
5. Horcoff
6. Laraque

3/30/2006 11:24 am  
Blogger Vic Ferrari said...

Props to everyone who took a guess. The answers:

1. Tie: Stoll and Torres (EV+17 EV-13), Handily the best on the team. Stoll leads in 5on5 points with 13, Torres in 5on5 goals with 8. The only linemate that they are a minus with is Samsonov, but they're starting to adjust to each other now I think.

2. Mike Peca. The goal in Columbus off the Torres rebound, that's the only Oiler goal-for that Peca has been on the ice for at 5on5 since the Spacek trade. Yikes! Honourable mentions to Harvey (2), Moreau(2) and Laraque(3), though they have far less icetime than Mike, so it's a far less impressive level of offensive futility. And we know that Moreau is playing hurt.

3. Matt Greene. Surprised that nobody got this one. EV+4 and EV-11 for a grand total of EV+/- -7. Honourable mention to Staios (-6). Bergeron is a surprising even 0. EV+11 EV-11.

4. Spacek at +2. The popular answer is right. Pronger and Bergeron with honourable mentions.

5. Steve Staios. On the ice for a whopping 19 goals against at 5on5. He also leads the D in goals, points, and is 2nd to Spacek in EV+, and still ends up at -6. I think I liked Staios better when he was less of a riverboat gambler. 8| (honourable mention to the top line)

6. Mike Peca. You might as well just go get a beer when Peca starts a shift. :D

3/30/2006 12:31 pm  
Anonymous lowetide said...

OH, you meant AFTER the trade?


:-)

3/30/2006 1:26 pm  
Blogger Dennis said...

Good stuff Vic. I think the only one you tipped us off about was the Greene question.

I should've been able to guess the Stoll deal because for awhile all his points were coming on the PP but he's still been putting up a few but hasn't been seeing much man advantaged mintues.

Back to Greene...is it time to bring back Ulanov?

3/30/2006 2:06 pm  
Blogger Dennis said...

I don't know why I hit the "publish" button;) In any case yes maybe it's time to bring back Igor. If he slips into Matt's spot then he's not gonna get many minutes and he should able to hold his own. Yes Greene's the future but if he's gonna keep stepping up and falling down then he has to get the hook.

The last time there was hockey I'd always keep an eye on Staios because I felt there was a certain threshold for minutes that he couldn't play beyond while maintaining his effectiveness.

Is that what's happening to him now or is it what other guys say, ie in the new NHL his lack of foot speed is being exposed?

3/30/2006 2:09 pm  
Blogger Vic Ferrari said...

dennis:

Ya, people can point to Stoll and Torres and say they are getting pretty soft minutes. And that's true. But they're getting the desired results with that icetime, absolutely nothing to complain about. When Dvorak is with them, and all are healthy, that line just owns the puck. Lowe made a comment to this effect around deadline day as well, so hopefully he plans on keeping Dvorak around. Having said that, as Samsonov is getting into the groove with the Oilers system ... I think that line can be even better than when Dvo was there.

On Greene: He's Ulanov redux, isn't he? I like them both as players except for the gaffs. And at least he's got a lot of time to get better, and he surely will. As soon as Bergeron is healthy I hope they move him back in. Bergeron is making just as many mistakes as Greene, in his recent games maybe more, but at least he brings some offense to balance it out.

On Staios: That's got me beat too. He was the best Oilers defenseman early. When Smith was struggling a bit and Pronger wasn't looking quite like the player he is right now. He's just making some terrible decisions and getting beat in his own end, the first two games of the VAN series were trainwrecks for the guy IMO. I have no idea why, but I have trouble believing it has anything to do with the new NHL rules. Just haven't noticed that. You think he's lost a step, Dennis?

3/30/2006 2:57 pm  
Anonymous mikep said...

I was leaning toward Spacek for #4, but I *wanted* it to be Pronger. :) Except for Greene, the rest don't surprise me, although I guess that does explain why he doesn't get more icetime.

Good quiz, thanks.

The few games I've seen, Staios hasn't looked... slow, really, not like Cross or Laraque or Ulanov slow anyway. He just hasn't been very effective. He's not big, he's not terribly skilled with the puck... he's like Pisani except without the uncanny ability to not make many mistakes. So is the Staios we saw in 03-04 the real Staios, or is it this year's?

3/30/2006 5:30 pm  
Anonymous lowetide said...

The surprise to me is Greene. I knew he was a little shakey at times but that's clear indicator that he might need to see a few games with Rod Phillips.

And a lesson to me once again that the value of experience increases as the season wears on.

Bet the rookie at this time of year when it comes to bad plus minus.

Very interesting post vic.

3/30/2006 5:31 pm  
Blogger Dennis said...

I don't know if 24's lost a step or not but it does seem like he's been doing a lot of chasing lately. Starting the season he was paired with 21 and how's he done playing with MAB and Greene compared to him partnering with Smith? We know he was playing softer min than 44/47. And of course now he should be getting the softest min as I'd imagine 21/23's facing tougher matchups than Greene/Staios.

I'm gonna have to watch him closer as I used to get mad at Staios for taking chances but these days I only noticed his bad play when partnered with Bergy....that was nightmarish. I'll have to keep a closer eye on him.

Of course it's easy to nail the Greene/Staios tandem after they gave up odd man rushes that lead to goals. If Rolo makes a save or two we're still pissed but the microscope isn't as strong.

3/30/2006 6:11 pm  
Blogger Vic Ferrari said...

mikep said...
...
The few games I've seen, Staios hasn't looked... slow, really, not like Cross or Laraque or Ulanov slow anyway. He just hasn't been very effective. He's not big, he's not terribly skilled with the puck... he's like Pisani except without the uncanny ability to not make many mistakes. So is the Staios we saw in 03-04 the real Staios, or is it this year's?


That's the $64 question.

I've always thought that Staios success was borne out of good decision making. He always seemed to pinch more than any other D, and just never get got.

I used to credit Keenan, who moved Staios up to winger for a while when he was a Canuck. Staios hated it, but I sort of thought that maybe that's when he gained a sharper sense for when to jump forward. Then again I'm always quick to credit the coach.

I think he'll bounce back. And who knows, maybe he's hurt. Remember when we all theorized on what was wrong with Grier one season, and then about this time of year they announced that his bigass mechanical shoulder brace was being removed? We never even knew he was wearing one. :D

3/30/2006 6:59 pm  
Anonymous MikeP said...

Yeah, I figure that to be an effective NHL defenceman, you need at least a couple of the following attributes: size, positioning, speed, passing (especially out of the zone), good pinching (arguably a subset of positioning, but I don't think so), and a good shot never hurts either. There's other attributes that are important too, but I'd think these are the most important.

Staios is average size, average speed, and I'd say an average passer and shooter. He's made up for averageness and turned into a *good* blueliner in the past with superior pinching choices and good positioning. It seems to me that he's not pinching as much or as well this year, and his positioning has been average. So he goes from somebody you'd love to have on your second pairing + second PP unit duty and maybe second aggressive PK, to a guy you don't mind on the third pair, but would rather not see out for special teams and maybe you want to consider his contract versus his performance when guys like Greene come along. If you ask me, Staios is lucky he's played well in the past and that Semi regressed this season, otherwise I expect he'd have been gone at the deadline. Syvret may very well be taking his place next to Greene next season.

3/31/2006 7:07 am  
Blogger Dennis said...

I don't know if Semi regressed or not...I just don't think the Oilers were prepared to stick with him any longer. All I know about the kid is he was a plus player the last time there was NHL hockey.

Regarding Syvret...all reports have him struggling at the AHL level so I'd say he's a longshot at best to see any significant '07 time in Edm.

3/31/2006 10:22 am  
Anonymous MikeP said...

Just to be clear, Semi = Semenov, right? I'd say he regressed; he went from being a dependable 4th/5th into a guy competing with Ulanov and Cross for "most likely to cough the puck up". He's turning heads in FLA, for the wrong reasons, from what I understand.

Disappointing to hear the Syvret news; I'd assumed he must be doing ok, since he didn't do poorly on his callups. It *is* a terrible team he's on though, right? I'm sure he'll get a good look in TC next year anyway, unless they deal him at the draft or something.

4/01/2006 2:03 pm  

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