Tuesday, May 02, 2006

The Flames D vs Teemu Selanne

A while ago on this blog I posted an article after a Flames game against Colorado. The Oilers were going to be playing the Flames soon, so I had a quick look at how Sutter was managing his defencemen against Joe Sakic.

Now, a month later, it looks like there is a pretty good chance that the Oilers will be playing the Flames in the next round. So here's a look at how Sutter has run his Dmen against Selanne in the three playoff games on home ice so far (I didn't bother to check the road games, should be similar but not quite as clean). For your consumption and commentary, this is how the icetime at even strength shook out, only as accurate as the NHL shift chart.

Now a quick look at a Sutter castoff, Toni Lydman. This was a damn strange move by Sutter, considering he relied on Lydman to play the toughest minutes for the Flames when he was healthy in the previous couple of seasons. I didn't understand it at the time, still don't. Anyhow, Lindy Ruff seems to think a lot of the guy too. Here is Lydman vs Forsberg during the home playoff games for BUF vs PHI this postseason.

Wow! Good on Lydman. Is Lidstromian a word? How about Prongerish?

Maybe there is a good reason in there somewhere, but I have no idea why Sutter dumped Lydman and picked up Roman "Playoff Hero" Hamrlik for more coin, I mean Lydman is PP garbage, but Hamrlik has only been marginally better in his career. Ruff and Regier's solution (4 forwards on the PP the vast majority of the time) seems like a more cost effective solution

Food for thought, that's all.


Blogger RiversQ said...

Good stuff Vic. Yeah, for the four previous seasons Hamrlik put up 2.9 PPP/hr while Lydman put up 2.4 PPP/hr. They're both pretty close to terrible on the PP. Actually for dmen that's probably about middle of the road, but as a whole it's pretty atrocious.

Given that, the guy who can play 81% of Forsberg's ES minutes is obviously a heck of a lot more valuable than the one playing 9% of Selanne's. Maybe it should be mentioned that someone has to babysit Phaneuf? I'm no Hamrlik fan but I have a feeling he'd be on the second pairing if Ference-Phaneuf wasn't such an ESGA waiting to happen. It was a strange move but a lot of guys have been sucked in by Hamrlik.

IIRC, Warrener was the other main cog for the Flames in 03/04. It's funny that he's not a first choice anymore. Perhaps he's still injured, or maybe Regehr has lapped him.

5/02/2006 10:59 pm  
Blogger Vic Ferrari said...

Thanks for the PP numbers, I think that was probably Sutter's motivation, the guy is loathe to put a forward on the point except for 5on3s, when he does it all the time (or at least always has in the past). A sure sign of a coach that is playing the 5on4 powerplay with a view towards preventing SH chances.

If Kipper ever gets a serious injury, how long before Sutter goes from being viewed as a "genius" to being considered a "dumbass"? I'd say about two weeks :-)

I don't watch enough Flames games to have an opinion on their D. By the numbers Ference is a guy that gets a lot more respect from the coach than from the fans over the past couple of seasons. I'm not sure why, he's always seemed a bit undersized and doesn't bring much offense. I dunno.

5/03/2006 10:06 am  
Blogger Vic Ferrari said...

Note: The total icetimes vs Selanne are skewed a bit downward in the first game because of the OT. The NHL condense the shiftchart a bit to fit it in, and I didn't bother to apply a correction factor to account for it.

5/03/2006 10:19 am  
Blogger mudcrutch79 said...

If Kipper ever gets a serious injury, how long before Sutter goes from being viewed as a "genius" to being considered a "dumbass"? I'd say about two weeks :-)

Nah, you can ride a reputation longer than that. Ask Slats.

5/03/2006 11:44 am  
Blogger RiversQ said...

Nah, you can ride a reputation longer than that. Ask Slats.


Slats won something.

5/03/2006 1:41 pm  
Blogger Vic Ferrari said...


Won nothing? They're the Conference Champions baby! I can't believe you don't know about this, were you out of the country for all three parades AND the four day gala? Did you not even see the fabulous trophies they had made and presented to themselves? You've been livin' under a rock, man!


IMO the bigger question that arises from this "vs Sakic" and "vs Selanne" icetime stuff; How the hell is Phaneuf ever going to "Double Dion" a star player if he never plays against them? (And by "play against them" I mean "on the ice" as opposed to "in Eric Francis' head".)

I'll stop using quotation marks now.

5/03/2006 2:55 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, I can think of one instance tonight when the Dion was on the ice against Selanne. ;)

I was hoping for a BOA, but frig, this is so much fun through two. Rexall just got louder when we went down. I think half of the Saddledome is either sobbing or asleep.


5/03/2006 8:55 pm  
Blogger Dennis said...

Dion Phaneuf is a good bottom pairing Dman who can score on the PP.

But right now that's all he is.

I can't stress that enough:D

5/03/2006 10:31 pm  

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