Thursday, August 17, 2006

Vishnevski to the Thrashers

According to TSN,it cost ATL Karl Stewart, a 2nd rounder in 2007, and a conditional draft pick.

My guess is the conditional pick is probably based on re-signing Vishnevski before he hits UFA, but I haven't actually seen it mentioned.

Could EDM have beat that? Karl Stewart I know nothing about, his numbers kind of look like Brodziak's, no idea if he's thought of better or worse than that.

I wonder what Burke's thoughts were about keeping Vish in conference?

Brodziak, 2nd and conditional pick? LT, I'm guessing that would have been a "go" for you, right?

9 Comments:

Anonymous lowetide said...

Yeah, I'd say so. Vishnevski isn't the second coming or anything but he'd be a nice option in the 4-hole imo. It would allow MacT to use Bergeron in a more offensive role (PP) more often and even if Bergeron plays over him in the top 4 Vishnevski's a nice option when MAB has a confidence problem or injury.

Burke did well, don't you think? After bad mouthing the guy you'd think he didn't believe he could get a plug nickle.

8/17/2006 5:42 pm  
Blogger speeds said...

I don't know, I'm more inclined to think that, if anything, Burke would have received more if he never made any noise about walking away, etc, and just traded him after the arbitration hearing.

It's probably even more likely that Burke's "performance" re: Vish had no effect on his trade value; I don't think a GM talking a player up or down really makes a difference. If there's a market, there's a market.

8/17/2006 6:04 pm  
Blogger speeds said...

Just to expand, I don't agree with the train of thought that "everyone's gonna low ball Lou because NJ is close to the cap".

If Gomez is on the market, and only one team is interested, sure they can offer what they want.

If Gomez is worth (in terms of draft picks) 3 1sts, and 6 teams are interested and all value him equally, then sure all 6 can go ahead and offer 1 first to "low ball" NJ. But it won't take long until someone offers a 1st and a 2nd, and then someone offers 2 1sts, etc.

8/17/2006 6:22 pm  
Blogger Black Dog Hates Skunks said...

That makes sense speeds and of course applies to the whole UFA situation as well. You see a guy like, Kubina, and say, well he's worth, let's say three. But then a few other guys go off the market and suddenly the bids start going up and next thing he gets what he gets.

Its like the housing market - a house is up for 400K - its in a nice neighbourhood and people start sniffing around - next thing you know there's a bidding war and its sold for 650K (there have been a few instances like that I have heard of here in T.O.) Its ridiculous but all it takes is more then one guy to want the asset, be it a house or a professional hockey player.

Lowe passing on this (unless Burke didn't want to deal in conference) confirms to me what I've come to realize - Lowe either thinks he has the guys to get it done or figures to see what he has in camp before he pulls the trigger.

Unless he has another target in mind. But I don't think so.

8/17/2006 6:48 pm  
Blogger allan said...

Or maybe Lowe just sees the same problems in Vishnevski that Burke does. I don't know what that could be, but I have to think there's something there. Lowe seems to be pretty picky about his D men.

He looks like a young Ulanov to me.

8/17/2006 8:41 pm  
Blogger Earl Sleek said...

You guys have Vish pegged well enough. A great 4-guy to have around, provided of course you haven't committed $13M to the first two.

Vish was a victim of the Pronger deal, but it's nothing against his play. I'm wondering if Burke took Vish to task in arbitration to set an example for the kids.

8/17/2006 10:32 pm  
Blogger RiversQ said...

Earl Sleek said...
You guys have Vish pegged well enough. A great 4-guy to have around, provided of course you haven't committed $13M to the first two.

That's all the Oilers really need anyway. They don't need a $4MM+ dman.

Vish was a victim of the Pronger deal, but it's nothing against his play. I'm wondering if Burke took Vish to task in arbitration to set an example for the kids.
That's the silliest thing I've heard in awhile. Burke's spending so much on two dmen that he can't afford a guy that got roughly $1.5MM? Do Anaheim fans actually like that Pronger deal? Excellent player, but I think he's a bad fit for that team's depth chart and payroll structure.

8/18/2006 10:27 am  
Blogger Earl Sleek said...

Do Anaheim fans actually like that Pronger deal? Excellent player, but I think he's a bad fit for that team's depth chart and payroll structure.

On the boards, they love it, and honestly, I don't know what to think. There's very little precedent to the Pronger-Niedermayer mix we're going to be throwing out there, so at the very least, this promises to be an interesting season of 'how to play this blueline'.

Now I'm a huge Vish fan (and a Salei fan), so obviously there are some emotional repercussions to acquiring Pronger, but I'm not sure that I agree on the 'payroll structure' part. I think the cheap kids really enable this sort of acquisition; it remains to be seen whether it is 'worth it' or not.

I put a post up about the major Anaheim salaries. Yes, it is top-heavy, but there's a stable 3-year core there that complements nicely with the development of the young'uns.

I don't agree that we should be pegged to be first in the west, though. That is baloney, but we should be playoff-bound. Good enough by me.

8/18/2006 10:56 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The need for the Oilers is someone that is first-pair capable. This is not Vish. Adding another name to the committee of runners-up could help with the PK but not much more, and the $1.5M would not be available for the player that solves the real problem when the time comes. Running out now and doing something when the solution is not available is foolish. Better to keep the powder dry and be patient.

They are talking to Leetch and I would not be surprised if its for a deal that lets him retire halfway through the year. I really see this group playing better at the end of the season than at the start of it. They could be that close.

This whole spittin match with Burke/Vish wasn't even over a $410,000 raise. It was over the difference between Anaheim's offer and the $410,000 raise that the arbitrator gave him. It does not pass the sniff test. I really think that they are this starved for funds for the forwards.

Anaheim have about $8.6M left in cap room with 5 forwards and Bryzgalov to go.

Will they be able to score with the forwards they are going to use? Two of their RW finishers from the start of last year are in Edmonton. Could be shades of last year's Flames. Shut down Selanne and its very difficult for them to score.

Unlike the Flames, it falls apart if either of the plow horses gets injured. From their combined history, those 2 guys have played 25 combined seasons with 6 serious injuries (4 for P, 2 for N). That translates into about a 50% chance next year with P twice as likely to be the one that is hurt. It definitely is a different way of building a team with the cap. When it does not work, they will always get full value for the guy they trade, so it really does not have much downside risk.

8/19/2006 2:13 pm  

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