Sunday, September 24, 2006

Paul Martin and the Budget

According to this NHL salary site, along with Irish Blues(a poster from HF)'s salary site and the Oilfans salary webpage, the Oilers can start the season with a 24 man roster consisting of:

Smyth-Horcoff-Pisani
Torres-Sykora-Hemsky
Moreau-Stoll-Lupul
Winchester-Reasoner-Mikhnov
Schremp, Pouliot

Staios-Smith
Tjarnquist-Greene
MAB-Hejda
Smid

Roloson
Markkanen

for a cap hit of 41.0 mil, with an actual cost of 40.1 mil.

Alternatively, the Oilers could ice this lineup:

Smyth-Horcoff-Pisani
Torres-Sykora-Hemsky
Moreau-Stoll-Lupul
Winchester-Reasoner-Thoresen
Peterson

Martin-Smith
Staios-Tjarnquist
Greene-Hejda
MAB

Roloson
Markkanen

for a cap hit of 41.8 mil, and an actual cost of 40.9 mil, assuming EDM can land Martin for an offer sheet of 9 mil over 3 years (1st and 3rd in comp, to do this EDM needs to get their 3rd back from MIN, I can't imagine that would be overly difficult).

Alternatively you could try trading for Martin. The offer sheet method allows EDM to dump some draft picks while retaining their prospects, but maybe you could include a guy like Winchester if you actually dealt for Martin, and maybe you can get him at a cheaper salary via trade as well?

Point being, if Peterson and Thoresen make the team over Schremp and Pouliot, it saves ~ 0.9 mil in budget room. If there's 1.5 - 2 mil left in the budget at the moment (big if?), that would give EDM 2.4-2.9 mil to acquire another D now. Flexibility at the deadline is nice, but is it better than having a stronger team to go the first 50 games? Maybe if you know you are going make it anyways. Can the Oilers be sure? Should Lowe be sure?

15 Comments:

Blogger Lowetide said...

Another strong argument in favor of doing this (or something similar) is that the player arrives early enough in the season to go through the adjustments od a new team/town/coach/way of doing things.

Oilers picked up Spacek and Tarnstrom at the deadline this past season. Tarnstrom never did look right and Spacek seemed to adapt immediately before struggling deep in the playoff run.

I'm in favor of a 3-for-1 speeds. MAP, pick, Winchester, whatever. Doesn't matter I don't think, although Dubnyk's training camp has me hoping they keep him.

9/24/2006 9:00 pm  
Blogger speeds said...

Even though it may not make a ton of sense, it would be interesting to see the Oilers leave the D alone and instead throw a package of youth at CLB for Zherdev. I thik Zherdev will end up signing with CLB before the season starts, and probalby for more than Lupul got, so maybe he doesn't fit in the Oilers budget/salary structure anyways, but adding him to the forward lineup would start to get pretty hilarious:

Smyth-Horcoff-Pisani
Torres-Sykora-Hemsky
Zherdev-Stoll-Lupul
Moreau-Reasoner-Thoresen

9/24/2006 9:09 pm  
Anonymous PDO said...

Adding Zherdev would be borderline silly.

"You score 6 on our shoddy D?

We don't care, we'll score 8."

I love it.

That said, I'd much prefer that the move is made now opposed to in a few months. Personally, I think Schremp is the guy to trade. Look how many guys at HF have fallen in love with the guy..

You don't think some of these GM's would do the same? I can already hear Barnett or Maclean talking about his puck poise ;).

Schremp, Winchester for?

Am I allowed to dream of Zybnek?

9/24/2006 9:18 pm  
Anonymous The Rage said...

Can New Jersey match any ofer right now? We may not have to go to three if Martin is willing to accept less.

In any case, how the hell is Lou going to get himself out of this situation? I think he's praying for some offer sheets now. Also, what happens if NJ is over the cap? Is there a major financial penalty, or do they just dump their biggest overpaid loser to the minors?

9/24/2006 9:23 pm  
Blogger Vic Ferrari said...

pdo:

For crissakes don't bring up the subject of dealing sugartits for Zbynek Michalek, the cats at HF will go nuts!

9/24/2006 9:26 pm  
Anonymous PDO said...

Vic:

And you wouldn't want to watch the mayhem ensue?

>=D

9/24/2006 9:27 pm  
Anonymous PDO said...

http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=6570566&postcount=2

Gone Fishin'.

9/24/2006 9:39 pm  
Blogger Vic Ferrari said...

The shifts you make up front to help create salary space (out: Mikhnov, Schremp, Pouliot. in: Peterson, Thoresen) that's a whack of cost savings right there. Over $2.6 million if I've done the sums right. Sort of makes the decisions up front even easier I'd think.

Looking at the alternative you mention, the gambling that the Oilers could stay in the playoff picture until the trade deadline ... that would be a whack of salary that they could take on with those savings. More than they would even have cap space to take on. They could grab a $5M Dman if whe were available though. Or a couple of $3M guys and send one of the D with a 2-way contract back to the minors. A lot of options open to Lowe.

By the way, just a terrific title for a post, speeds.

9/24/2006 9:56 pm  
Blogger speeds said...

that 3 for 2 swap saves about 1.6 mil in cap room/salary.

Thoresen - 0.57
Peterson - 0.45

Mikhnov - 0.85
Schremp - 0.85
Pouliot - 0.94

9/24/2006 10:05 pm  
Blogger speeds said...

and thanks vic, I take compliments where I get them :)

9/24/2006 10:05 pm  
Blogger RiversQ said...

Lowetide said...
Oilers picked up Spacek and Tarnstrom at the deadline this past season. Tarnstrom never did look right and Spacek seemed to adapt immediately before struggling deep in the playoff run.


Yeah weird pair of performances there. Spacek settled in pretty darn well to the eye anyway. I'm convinced Tarnstrom was injured though. I always thought he was a smooth skater if not a particularly strong or fast one but as an Oiler he skated like he had two feet of broomstick up his ass.

9/25/2006 8:27 am  
Blogger Puck Engineer said...

Edmonton's got cap space, so if they can poach Martin, that would be great. A 1st and 3rd rounder may be too much to give. I'd try to sign to less than $2 million because Lou doesn't seem to be able to afford anything right now.

9/25/2006 1:59 pm  
Anonymous YKOil said...

Absolutely awesome post speeds. I'll jump on the Peterson/Thoreson bandwagon just cuz it makes so damn much sense!

Also - way to poke the hornets nest pdo. Makes me happy to see it.

9/25/2006 4:32 pm  
Blogger joninabox said...

Rivers: IIRC Tarnstrom actually had reconstructive surgery on his knee immediately prior to the season. I think that could possibly explain some of the issue with his skating.

9/25/2006 11:31 pm  
Anonymous PDO said...

YKoil:

I just kicked the nest ;).

9/26/2006 6:24 pm  

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