Thursday, November 30, 2006

Some Random Pre-Game Thoughts

- Matt over at Battle of Alberta has a pretty ham-fisted argument regarding the Oilers' defensive issues. It's mostly about Lowe's reluctance to pick up a dman before Christmas. Of course you have to realize that it's partially a matter of perspective. The Flames have been pissing away quality dmen and replacing them with overpaid stiffs for some time now, so it's probably a little hard for them to realize they aren't exactly falling off trees out there. Matt also points to "a glaring weakness" at the end of that post in that the Oilers currently rank 14th in the league in shots against per game...

Interesting tidbit: The Flames are generally considered to have a pretty solid defensive core which includes the "Greatest Defensive Force of All Time" so how's their shot prevention/game? 19th in the league. If you're counting, that's five spots behind the glaring weakness of the Oilers.

So, I'm not sure good dmen necessarily lead to shot prevention. At least that doesn't apply to the Flames now does it? Surely the defensive value of a dman is better seen in shot quality and scoring chance rates rather than simple shot prevention. I will say though, that I still think shot prevention's pretty damn important while shorthanded - mostly because the chances are that the shot quality is going to be pretty high if and when the PP unit gets a shot. Matt's right that the Oilers still need a defenseman, but I don't think Lowe's wrong about waiting for the right deal

- Speaking of the right deal... It's taken me a little while now but I'm finally seeing things from Vic's perspective on the subject of Jarret Stoll. I don't want to misquote the man, but if I recall correctly Vic's position from about 2 years ago was that Stoll will never be a impact NHLer. I think Vic thought his stick skills were average, his skating was mediocre, his hockey sense was not outstanding, and, as always, the "intangibles" were way over-stated. Of course, this was before we'd seen much of Stoll on the point, so Vic didn't mention his point shot or his ability to get a one-timer off.

I could be wrong about this too, but I think Vic also said that he figured Reasoner could have had the same ES results as Stoll given the same opportunity that Stoll was receiving (cherry icetime, Torres as a linemate, etc.)last year. Your average Oiler fan probably thought Vic was off his rocker after Stoll's counting numbers last year and Reasoner's rather uninspiring year in 05/06. I have to admit, that I was starting to doubt him as well.

After watching that Anaheim game though, I can safely admit I was wrong and Vic was right. Stoll looks an awful lot like a spud right now. I nearly had a brain aneurysm in the second period when Selanne and MacDonald had Stoll and Smid caught in the cycle down in the corner. It was like a hot knife through butter as MacDonald got a nice scoring chance while Stoll just didn't have the sense (or the wheels) to stop the Ducks' duo from doing whatever they wanted. The last few games I've watched him, I've been pretty underwhelmed by Stoll's work in his own zone and especially by his inability to transition the puck through the neutral zone. Watch Horcoff get the puck at his own blueline tonight and then watch what happens if Stoll gets it. These players are in different leagues.

Sure Stoll can shoot the puck. So could Brett Hull though and he was one of the more overrated players of all time.

I'm not implying that Stoll's a waste of time - his two main skills, namely his slapshot and the faceoff prowess are pretty valuable qualities in the NHL. However, the Oilers have committed a lot of payroll over the next couple of years to Hemsky, Moreau, Staios, Horcoff, Pisani and Roloson and signing Ryan Smyth has to be a huge priority for this club. Lowe has to continue to pick the right horses in order to move forward now that he's signed away much of his flexibility. The more I watch the player, the more I'm convinced he's a bottom sixer and thus not one of the players that Lowe should invest any more time or money in. I also hated that contract he got this offseason and I'll stick to my guns on that one. Especially if they go back to giving Stoll some tougher minutes this year, thus driving down his production, only to inevitably pair him up with Hemsky for soft minutes in his contract year in 07/08. So if the Oilers are in the market for a Keith or Seabrook who look to be tested NHL contributors that they can keep around for a few years at a cheap rate, I'd happily send Stoll the other way.

- Ryan Smyth is playing some of the best hockey I've ever seen out of the man. Just inspiring stuff in my opinion, even considering the neutral zone gaffe in OT on Tuesday night. Although Smyth was dangerous in the offensive zone as well as the Oilers' only consistent threat, I was particularly impressed by his defensive work on Tuesday. On more than a few occasions, Smyth came back to pick the puck off a Ducks forward that had engaged an Oilers dman one-on-one or intercepted a pass into the slot as the first forward back. I do not believe this is the same effort we saw out of him last year. I know mc79 is in favour of attributing much of last year's 5V5 woes to goaltending, but I don't think we saw this kind of discipline out of Smyth last year. In fact I'm not sure we've ever seen it, because I've always believed Smyth got his outscoring results by keeping the puck deep in the offensive zone behind the other team's goalline. Right now, I'd contend he's doing it by also playing some sound defense as well.

I'm not sure what it will take to sign Smyth but I'd go up to 4yrs/$21MM pretty easily if I was Lowe right now. It's the 4th year that worries me more than the $5.25MM/yr to be perfectly honest.

- Last thing... This is the part of the year where I start to hate the unbalanced schedule. The Oilers are about to play their 3rd game of the year against Colorado and it just feels unnecessary. Of course, just wait until December 14th when the Oilers play the Minnesota Wild for the first time. This means the Oilers play the Wild 8 times in their last 52 games. Wonderful. I'm really looking forward to that.

By the way, is there anything really wrong with 6 games vs. divisional opponents, 4 games vs. the other WC division opponents and then 18 games outside the conference?

- I forgot to talk about Hemsky. This is grim news for the power play. Out of the key Oilers left on the top PP unit, only Horcoff is accomplished at settling the puck down and moving it promptly once the Oilers are set up in the offensive zone. None of Smyth, Stoll, and Sykora are all that great at that to be perfectly honest. Smyth would be better at it than most people think, but he belongs in the front of the net.

The other thing about the loss of Hemsky is that the Oilers are again down to just Horcoff and maybe Smyth in terms of players that can carry the puck through the neutral zone. They were absolutely atrocious at this in the 2nd period on Tuesday night and I'm not sure they're going to be much better tonight. In particular Stoll, Lupul and Torres were horrific in this area. (I don't want to talk too much about Lupul again since we've been whipping him pretty constantly on here, but he was amazingly useless along his own boards in puck support against the Ducks. The only way he was helping the puck out of the zone would be if the Oilers' dman ripped it off his helmet.) Methinks the KISS principle must be exercised religiously against the Avs - Get it past the red line, dump it in, and go get it.


Blogger MetroGnome said...

While I agree with some of your points re: Matt's post, I would contend that your attempt to lampoon Sutter's choices (ie; pissing away quality d-men for over-paid stiffs) is rather spurious as well:

1.) No one thought Commodore would become a top 4 guy. A year in the AHL did him wonders. He was a 10 minute per night fill-in when he played for Calgary. I doubt anyone in Calgary (or anywhere else) raised an eyebrow when he was dealt for a draft pick.

2.) Leopold was not pissed away. He was dealt for a first line scoring forward, which the Flames desperately needed.

3.) Roman Hamrlik is currently the Flames #1 defenseman. He's averaging more than 25 minutes a night, plays on the first unit PP and is a plus player. And he makes less than Jay McKee, meaning he may be relatively under-payed by current market standards...

Interesting thoughts on Stoll as well. Seeing as he was once Flames property, I tend to follow his progress to a'll be interesting to see if he replicate last year's production or if he settles into the 3rd center role as you suggest. I think the latter is more likely as well.

11/30/2006 3:46 pm  
Blogger RiversQ said...

I'll give you the Commodore thing although I'm not convinced Sutter knew what he had there.

And Lydman? That basically amounted to Lydman for Hamrlik plus the difference in salary. That was a terrible move. Incredibly bad. It was blatantly awful last year and I'm not sure it's even the saw-off that it appears to be this year either.

Hamrlik sure appears to be a bag of suck on the PP again this year, at least in terms of PPP/hr, where he's putting up a typically pedestrian 2.6 PPP/hr. It looks like an ES renaissance on the surface, but I haven't looked closely at Hamrlik's details to say for sure. Who would you rather have right now?

Leopold was still another good dman sent away by Calgary which was the gist of my statement. You might not like the semantics, but this is an Oilers fan site.

11/30/2006 4:29 pm  
Blogger PDO said...

I'm all on board for Stoll being traded.. I was at the front of that bus with Vic in the off-season.

Stoll for Keith?

In a heartbeat.

Here's hoping that 78 proves he can play the cherry minutes with 83 and 71. I've been pushing for that for a while, and apparently MAP is getting the shot with 71 tonight - if he can find some chemistry there, I think we're on the verge of seeing:


15 is definitely the weak link there, but it'd be nice to have that going on for a while, at least.

11/30/2006 4:41 pm  
Blogger RiversQ said...

BK said...


Holy shit. That line adds up to 232. I'm not sure what that means but it has to be good right? Right?

Unfortunately, I don't think the Oilers spend much time even considering moving Lupul because of the optics surrounding the Pronger mess. Too bad though. He's probably exactly what the Hawks are looking for.

11/30/2006 4:44 pm  
Blogger Colby Cosh said...

I haven't seen much dump-and-chase action from the Oilers this year, and I've wondered about it at times in an almost kind of half-assed subconscious way, but when you spell it out it's kind of odd that this hasn't been tried, isn't it? "Gee, uh, we have a bunch of defencemen who block shots real courageously but can't pass worth a damn, and we've also got a bunch of forwards who are young and fast but hopeless along the boards and easily pickpocketed in open ice. Is there some familiar strategery we could use to minimize these problems?"

11/30/2006 4:46 pm  
Blogger PDO said...

riversq said...

Holy shit. That line adds up to 232. I'm not sure what that means but it has to be good right? Right?

2+3+2 = 8

Ovechkins' god.

How can it be anything but good?!

I'm torn between if it should be Joffrey or Stoll to be sent away...

I wouldn't mind packaging them together for a 24 year old winger who was a 60-70 point man and a good D. But you're right... Joffrey isn't going anywhere anytime soon.


11/30/2006 4:57 pm  
Blogger SweatyO said...

bk: 2+3+2=8?

Check that again.

And I'd trade one or both of Lupul and Stoll before I deal Torres, that's for sure...

11/30/2006 5:06 pm  
Blogger PDO said...



For one reason or another I was thinking 3+2+3.

We all have our dyslexic moments, don't we? ;)

7.. that's not nearly as much fun.

We'll stick with 232 and the NASCAR line. Just to piss Brian Burke off.

11/30/2006 5:19 pm  
Blogger SweatyO said...

Well, there goes 2.5 hours of my life that I'm not going to get back.

Outside of Jason Smith and Ryan Smyth, did anyone really have what could be called a good game tonight? The Reasoner line had flashes, but man oh man, Torres and Lupul together is exciting at BOTH ends of the rink.

Tyler freakin' Arnason scores 2 goals. That says it all right there. He might be one of the worst players in the entire league.

Oh well, get ALL the bad out of the system in one ugly performance. Columbus is going to get torn a new one on Saturday, or at least they should. They would be in the group of "Teams you just can't lose to, ever" (the others being St. Louis, Phoenix, and Chicago).

11/30/2006 9:51 pm  
Blogger Bill Needle said...

Tyler freakin' Arnason scores 2 goals. That says it all right there. He might be one of the worst players in the entire league.

After tonight's game:
Arnason 8G 10A 17Pts
Torres 4G 11A 11Pts

Which one's worse? You make the call.

11/30/2006 10:23 pm  
Blogger SweatyO said...

Arnason, historically, has been an gross underachiever and a headcase. He SURE had an impact when Ottawa picked him up at the deadline.

Poll 30 GM's and ask them which they'd rather have....I'm betting that it would be a near unanimous vote for Torres. Raffi can at least impact a game if he's not scoring. Arnason does the old "Brad Isbister" trick. He disappears.

11/30/2006 10:42 pm  
Blogger Bill Needle said...

Just keep drinking that Torres Kool-Aid. Arnason's no great hell, but Torres does the same disappearing act. He's been crapulent ever since he smoked Williams in Detroit.

12/01/2006 9:13 am  
Blogger Doogie said...

If you call that play to set up the Lupul goal "crapulent," I've got a bridge for you to buy.

12/01/2006 9:35 am  
Blogger Black Dog said...

I would say that Tyler Arnason owes Joel Quenneville a beer. This kid was fat lazy and in trouble in Chicago and we saw what happened when he went to Ottawa.

But he's also a guy with some offensive talent.

He's landed in a good situation - he's going to end up with 50 - 60 points I would bet. Another reason why Quenneville should be counted amongst the best coaches in the league.

And Torres has five points in the last six games including two goals and the two assists I have seen were top notch first assists.

So, uh, yeah, there you go.

12/01/2006 10:11 am  
Blogger Colby Cosh said...

Wait, does Torres actually sell Kool-Aid? Because that would be pretty awesome.

12/01/2006 9:13 pm  
Blogger RiversQ said...

I don't know Cosh, but if you look closely I think the kid in this picture has a kool aid mustache:

12/01/2006 10:16 pm  

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