Thursday, March 08, 2007

Ted Nolan Talks About Trade Deadline Day

From an interview with

Q: You're back in the NHL now and your Islanders look primed to get back to the playoffs. How were you able to make a deal for Ryan Smyth?

A: So many names were coming up, like Billy Guerin's name came up. Then, all of a sudden, Ryan Smyth's name came up. We put the same offer up to Edmonton that we had put up to other teams and they went for it. Give [Islanders GM] Garth Snow credit -- he just stuck with it. When Garth called me at 3 o'clock and told me we got the deal done, I couldn't believe he pulled that deal off.


Blogger Andy Grabia said...

Sounds to me like they weren't too worried about losing those players and pick. They had a roaming offer out, and we bit? So much for Kevin Lowe, savvy negotiator.

3/08/2007 1:47 pm  
Blogger Vic Ferrari said...

Ya, Andy. Even the craftiest Lowepologist is going to struggle interpreting this any other way.

Also, on the Isles website they leak that Snow will be named the Sports Illustrated executive of the year. (I thought Brian Burke was a lock for that, personally)

Also this quote from SI's Michael:
"Snow laid the groundwork with Edmonton by approaching Kevin Lowe at the general manager's meeting the week before."


3/08/2007 1:52 pm  
Blogger Vic Ferrari said...

edit for missing surname above: it should read "SI's Michael Farber:"

3/08/2007 1:54 pm  
Blogger LittleFury said...

C'mon Grabia, I'm sure Lowe drove a very hard bargain. I'll bet that, next GM meeting, Garth buys lunch.

3/08/2007 2:28 pm  
Blogger PDO said...

Kevin Lowe, Negotiator Extraordinaire.

3/08/2007 3:29 pm  
Blogger joninabox said...

You guys do know what the Blues got for Guerin right? A first, a 7th round prospect, and Ville Nieminen. If you had the choice between that and Smyth's return (1st, 1st prospect, 1st prospect) for Guerin, which do you take? But then again who knows, it's not like any staff in the NHL has ever stretched the truth except for the Oilers', right?

3/09/2007 9:12 am  
Blogger mike w said...

Are Ryan O'Marra and Robert Nilsson the Jeff Woywitka and Doug Lynch of 2007?

3/09/2007 10:57 am  
Blogger RiversQ said...

No, I think Lupul and Smid are the Woywitka and Lynch of 06/07.

The prospect freaks are trying to spin it, but the numbers for the latest salary dump are underwhelming at best. Especially O'Marra's.

It's likely that Lowe got housed. Again. The only way he gets out is a Pronger-esque trade redux. I find that unlikely but I guess we'll see.

3/09/2007 11:11 am  
Blogger Andy Grabia said...

You guys do know what the Blues got for Guerin right?

Who cares? Every team, every situation is different. I could compare it to what Waddell gave up for Tkachuk, too, but that wouldn't be fair to anyone. The point is, he didn't hold the Isles hostage. He didn't negotiate. He just took what was out there for anyone to bite on. And just because the two prospects are number ones, doesn't mean they are any good. Would you be happy if they got Alexandre Daigle back? Maybe Pat Falloon? Daniel Tkaczuk?

3/09/2007 11:13 am  
Blogger Black Dog said...

How about Walt Tkaczuk?

He was pretty good.

Maybe they can get his rights.

3/09/2007 1:25 pm  
Blogger joninabox said...

No, the point is, every team has spin and I think it's amazing that no one seems to be thinking that maybe Nolan and Snow are trying to justify their position. If they don't pass the first round or even make the playoffs, someone's going to be questioning this trade. History shows we'll probably be lucky to get a single decent NHLer out of this, but getting a second line player for 20 games of Smyth is still a good value considering that the second the deadline passes Lowe has no leverage whatsoever.

Sure, Lowe could have probably got a marginally larger return by starting a bidding war and sending Smyth off before the deadline, but given how everyone seems to have reacted, Lowe would have been in even deeper if he hadn't at least seemed to make an earnest effort to sign Smyth.

On a sidenote, I wonder how much of the negotiation was affected by Lowe and Meehan's relationship. Meehan is an obviously a prominent player agent who Lowe had to deal with this past summer for some of our pending UFAs, and probably will have to deal with again as early as this summer.

3/09/2007 3:34 pm  
Blogger Bank Shot said...

What other teams were there to make this offer to? Guerin wanted to go to a real contender and had a no-trade clause didn't he? Otherwise Nieminen, Barriball, and a 1st doesn't look as good as what the Isles offered. Did the Caps turn down this package for Zubrus...Why would they?

Tkachuk went for 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and Toby Petersen's brother from another mother. Is that any better then what the Isles offered? It doesn't really seem like it. Nilsson has already proven that he can score at the NHL level while 85% of 2nd round picks won't play a game in the Show.

Forsberg fetched a low, low first, Upshall looks like another Nilsson, and Parent who may be a good D-prospect...but he'll never run a powerplay. I like this deal the most, but Forsberg was also the best player availible and it's not close.

It looks like Lowe got market value for Smyth to me. I think he makes quite a few mistakes including the timing of this trade and his lack of making other moves at the same time, but the return seems about right given the market.

3/09/2007 4:01 pm  
Blogger Vic Ferrari said...

Man, checking Barriball's stats, damn impressive. A point behind Okposo for the teams scoring lead (granted in 4 extra games played) and a +13 on this very good Gophers team. Ahead of Blake Wheeler in every stat, but not by much. Granted Barriball is a little guy. Every comment you read about him seems to mention his work ethic and commitment to defense, as well as the obligatory offense skills remarks.

He plays on the same team as Blues top prospect Erik Johnson, so no doubt the Blues scouting staff has seen plenty of him. Hard to say, he reads like a younger Horcoff, his numbers a shade better, but still very similar at that age.

I've forgotten who the GM of the Blues is, but he obviously went into this whole thing knowing he was a seller early, and he had a list of players he wanted. A good day for him, Blues fans should have some confidence in this guy. He had time to his homework, and I have trouble imagining that he was overwhelmed by an offer of O'Marra and Nilsson.

3/09/2007 7:11 pm  
Blogger Slipper said...

I don't know about O'Marra, he might have been prematurely written off because of those injuries, but there is definitely an unpleasant odour swirling around Nilsson. He's already had his NHL cherry popped on the Islanders. So evidently he's been to the show, he's been evaluated, and was deemed expendable. It just reeks like Jan Rita in here.

3/09/2007 9:04 pm  
Blogger Chris said...

Yea, but Yani Rita never scored or produced even when playing on a line with Crosby. Neilson put up 20 some odd points in 50 games in the nhl if memory serves correctly. That's not bad at all for a rookie and a damn sight better than Rita ever did.

3/10/2007 12:36 pm  
Blogger RiversQ said...

Chris said...
Yea, but Yani Rita never scored or produced even when playing on a line with Crosby.

Maybe not, but he was the fucking bomb at Red Rocks!!!

3/10/2007 1:24 pm  

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